Season 3, Episode 27: Not Home Yet

Can We Talk?
Not Home Yet - Episode Description

What if living your faith authentically could transform the world around you? Join us on the Peas and Carrots Podcast as we kick off with a light-hearted confession about our love for Chick-fil-A ice cream and share our collective excitement for the Olympics, celebrating the incredible triumphs of athletes like Simone Biles. We sprinkle in some humor with a funny story about our new programmable AC unit and share a heartfelt visit to our friend Donna, who is on the mend from a recent accident. Our conversation takes a thoughtful twist as we unpack the controversial moments from the Olympic opening ceremonies and discuss the concept of living in the world but not being of it. We dive deep into the idea that non-believers should not be expected to adhere to Christian values and the importance of not imposing our beliefs on others.

This episode also tackles the nuanced topic of boycotting events and products from a faith-based perspective. We emphasize personal conviction and maintaining a Christ-like attitude, making a clear distinction between persecution and mockery. You’ll hear us reflect on how the gospel should be the only offensive element in our lives, not our behaviors or words. To bring it all home, we highlight the temporary nature of this world and the eternal hope of heaven, encouraging our listeners to glorify Christ in their daily lives. And don’t miss our exciting trivia contest! Participate for a chance to win some fantastic Peas and Carrots Podcast prizes. Tune in, and let’s navigate living out our faith in an ever-changing world together.

Not Home Yet - Transcript

00:00 – Announcer (None)

We go together like peas and carrots the peas and carrots podcast, sharing life from our piece of the vegetable patch Brian and Kayla Sanders. 

 

00:11 – Brian (Host)

Welcome to the peas and carrots podcast. Hi, I’m Kayla and I’m Brian, and welcome to this week’s edition of the vegetable patch. 

 

00:18

What is up in the world of peas and carrots? 

 

00:21

Okay, first of all, we just had a Chick-fil-a ice cream cone. So if you hear us, it’s, we just had a Chick-fil-A ice cream cone. So if you hear us, it’s because we just had ice cream. 

 

00:28

Confession is not good for the soul in this moment. 

 

00:31

Oh, okay. 

 

00:33 – Kayla (Host)

Just kidding. Well, I’m just getting it out there on the table. 

 

00:36 – Brian (Host)

You just got a little drainage after all the ice cream Got a little bit of drainage. 

 

00:40 – Kayla (Host)

We have been watching the Olympics and loving it, yeah. So in all seriousness, I don’t want to spoil anything, but if you have been watching, some people are actually watching it later they are. I learned there are people who have Peacock the app and they are watching it of Peacock the app and they are watching it. But to see two athletes conquer their physical and mental health issues and win gold is amazing. 

 

01:14 – Brian (Host)

Simone Biles is just an inspiration. She really is, that’s the truth and you’ve been watching it every night. 

 

01:20 – Kayla (Host)

Except last night I fell out because, yeah, this whole, well, there wasn’t a lot. 

 

01:25 – Brian (Host)

I’m not going to say that. 

 

01:26 – Kayla (Host)

There was a lot, I just I was tired so I took a break last night. But tonight is some more women’s gymnastics, so I will be watching that, if the Sanders were involved in Olympics, who would win the gold medal? 

 

01:39 – Brian (Host)

Oh, our new AC unit would win the gold medal. Oh, gotcha, okay, yes our new ac unit would win the oh gotcha. Okay, yes, you like. You’re in love with our new ac. Yeah, it’s programmable. It has a programmable thermostat. 

 

01:53 – Kayla (Host)

I have an app on my phone you can set it to like turn down and cool the house before we get home. 

 

01:58 – Brian (Host)

It’s on a schedule, I never have to go the thermostat. 

 

02:01 – Kayla (Host)

It’s weird yeah, I’m still getting used to that so because, y’all, we had an old timey one where you had to slide the thermostat up and down. 

 

02:10 – Brian (Host)

I don’t know if that’s old timey, they still make that maybe it was 20 years old. 

 

02:14 – Kayla (Host)

well, I mean okay. So yesterday was everything. We got to visit our friend slash co-worker, donna, in Winston-Salem, north Carolina. She is recovering from a recent accident and it was just seeing her smile, getting to laugh with her, seeing how well she’s doing with her healing, so yeah, she looked good. 

 

02:41 – Brian (Host)

She did, she laughed joked, yeah, she looked good. 

 

02:43 – Kayla (Host)

She did, yeah, she laughed, yeah, joked. She’s got a ways to go, so please keep praying for her, but it was a great visit. 

 

02:50 – Brian (Host)

She’s doing her own Olympics. I just saw where she had to play the drummys today Uh-huh, for part of her physical therapy. 

 

02:58 – Kayla (Host)

Yep. 

 

03:00 – Brian (Host)

So that’s, I mean, I don’t know, that’s just a whole new way of therapy for me. I guess the opening ceremonies of the Olympics we have some thoughts. The social medias have been on fire. 

 

03:17 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah, just on fire, I do not miss Facebook. So yeah, I want to give a disclaimer, not miss Facebook. So yeah, I want to give a disclaimer before we go here. This is not one of those moments where we’re going to get on our soapbox and we are not coming at anyone. This is just some thoughts that in light of the opening ceremony, and some people may be like I have no idea what you’re talking about, so I will share very briefly. 

 

03:46

There were two incidences during the opening ceremony. Apparently, there was a scene where the performers we will put it that way were making a mockery of the Lord’s Supper, and then there was another. I actually watched this one, so’m just I’m gonna confess I think I kind of dozed off before the the lord’s supper thing. I came back for a little while. Later on I woke back up, but yeah, that thing goes. I forgot how long the opening ceremony is, but anyway, earlier in the evening you and I were both speechless. At a, there was an artistic interpretation. There were three people dancing through the streets of Paris and it was very risque, and yes, I’m trying to choose my words carefully here, but at the end of the scene it was very suggestive and they were the three of them going into a room and closing the door, and you and I both were absolutely shocked. 

 

04:49 – Brian (Host)

Yeah, I couldn’t believe it was like in family primetime. 

 

04:52 – Kayla (Host)

And this is happening. So the question that I’ve been sitting with and you and I talked about this after watching the opening ceremony and then, like the dumpster fire, that is the interwebs what does it look like to be in this world, but not of this world? And it led to this ongoing conversation that we just want to have with all of you today. 

 

05:19 – Brian (Host)

Yeah, Let me start off with this basic principle. Okay, and we’re taking that particular principle as to living in the world, but you’re not of it, and so let me say this how do you respond to the world as well? How do you live in it, not be of it, but also respond to it? I’m going to lay down this particular foundational truth. This particular foundational truth Never expect unbelievers to love, act like or honor what believers love, act like and honor. Don’t do it, because you will set yourself up for failure. So that is the basic principle there that I want to start with, because they don’t know your God and you cannot legislate or force people to live like a Christian. 

 

06:18 – Kayla (Host)

There’s a couple of other disclaimers that we want to give. If you feel a strong conviction to boycott something, I say that’s between you and God and that is where it should stay. Here’s just. This is just my take. If doing so requires you to incite anger and project hate on everyone around you, maybe it’s worth taking a pause first, and this is not going to be a political discussion. That’s not where our heads are as we broach just our thoughts on this. 

 

06:57

Yes, there were moments in the opening ceremony that gave me a lot to think about. Even yet, I did not decide well, I’m not watching one minute of the Olympics because of that. These athletes worked really hard to get where they are. I want them to know that I’m sitting on my couch cheering for them, rooting for them, posting about them, because I can’t go that far personally. I can’t say well, this was just evil and not of God, so I refuse to have anything to do with the Olympics. And if that is where you, as a listener, have landed, that’s between you and God. So that’s just a disclaimer we want to give Exactly so. 

 

07:45 – Brian (Host)

Again, we want to say this it is our stance that, like, if you want to boycott something, do it quietly, because you never see I don’t want to say this. You never see Jesus and the apostles holding up picket signs or anything like that. Their goal is to not be offended by the world. Their goal is to change the world. 

 

08:13 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah. 

 

08:13 – Brian (Host)

And to change it you usually have to be friendly with people. So let me say this also the church has faced persecution since the beginning of time. What happened at the Olympics is not persecution. Okay, that is just. You could call it mockery, you could call it misunderstanding, all that other kind of stuff, but it isn’t persecution. Now, when you’re being persecuted, you’re being put in jail for your faith. You’re being killed for your faith. Yeah, so let’s get that straight. ‘re being killed for your faith? Yeah, so let’s get that straight. Is that that wasn’t persecution? 

 

08:49 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah. 

 

08:50 – Brian (Host)

That was something else, and what we’re talking about is how to react to it. How would Jesus respond? 

 

08:58 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah, here’s a truth that you and I both live by, because we have friends with varying backgrounds, with varying lifestyles, and yet we have chosen to lean in and love. Well, our lives should make some uncomfortable, so this is where I’m kind of going to go there a little bit. We have guidelines for how we should live, and those are presented to us through his word and the Spirit’s nudging. As a believer, there are things that I know I’m going to feel a conviction for is more about who they see in us than what we say from our megaphones, our social media platforms and felt judgment. Should they brave attending our churches? I want to be a person that I’m living out my faith, but I’m not shoving it down someone’s throat. 

 

10:05 – Brian (Host)

Here’s what Ms Miss Kayla is saying your life and the gospel should make people uncomfortable. Yeah, the way that you talk to people should not. 

 

10:16 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah. 

 

10:17 – Brian (Host)

In other words, the gospel is offensive. You don’t have to be, yeah, don’t be a jerk. 

 

10:23 – Kayla (Host)

Well, jesus dined with sinners and he walked with broken people. 

 

10:27 – Brian (Host)

Yes, One of the apostles was a zealot, was a terrorist I can’t. I’m trying to grab his name here and it escapes me. Also, that woman at the well yeah, she had how many husbands, yeah. Woman at the well, she had how many husbands, yeah. Then apparently, mary Magdalene was a very. She was a woman of the world according to church tradition. 

 

10:52 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah. 

 

10:53 – Brian (Host)

And none of these people were like perfect. Matthew was a tax collector. And look at Paul he murdered. There’s a great quote about Paul that says Paul entered heaven to the cheers of the people he martyred. That’s how the gospel works, that we want society to live like we do, that we forget that it takes the gospel to change a heart and so you can’t legislate that. So back to what you said, Ms Kayla, because it was powerful. You said our lives should make some uncomfortable. 

 

11:41 – Kayla (Host)

They should. That’s how I should be in the world, but not of it so powerful. They should see something in me that they yearn for, but not my hate or not my vitriol about everything and not your Facebook or Instagram or Twitter or whatever. 

 

12:01 – Brian (Host)

it’s called X rants or whatever. 

 

12:03 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah, I know all that stuff. 

 

12:05 – Brian (Host)

It’s possible to love the person and also hate the sin From Facebook posts and like social media. We’re hating the people and that will never win anybody to Christ. That will never bring them, because think about this Jesus said that if you gain the whole world and yet lose your soul, what is a prophet? Hmm, what if you won the moral high ground all over the world? What if you forced everybody to live the way you do, but they never believe the gospel? 

 

12:47 – Kayla (Host)

It’s all for naught what is the profit in that. I want to say this it is just and it is good to have conversations with others about living a gospel-centered life. It is on me to talk about my walk with Christ, but I can do that without always putting others on defense or making them doubt that the Jesus that we love could ever love them. May the gospel be offensive. May we not be offensive. 

 

13:20 – Brian (Host)

Amen, you ought to preach sometime. No, no, no. 

 

13:28 – Kayla (Host)

This world is not our home. 

 

13:29 – Brian (Host)

Amen. This is a temporary place, yeah, and we long for the hope of heaven, but we may not. But help us not to squander the privilege we have of glorifying christ in our time here. So here’s the thing sometimes it’s like we fight as though this is our eternal home, as though this is where and we should take care of this place. But y’all, we’re just passing through. Yeah, our hope is not built here. No, and it’s like we’re just all ramped up about you know, we got to. Anyway, before I go off, on. 

 

14:02 – Kayla (Host)

I was going to say you’re, you’re you got one foot on the soapbox. 

 

14:05 – Brian (Host)

I know, I know. 

 

14:07 – Kayla (Host)

Bottom line. 

 

14:08 – Brian (Host)

A few things I want to say. 

 

14:10 – Kayla (Host)

I know. So I’m reining you in because we promised this was not going to go there. I know. 

 

14:14 – Brian (Host)

I got kind of close. 

 

14:28 – Kayla (Host)

The challenge to me when situations like this arise, where I think back to and we will not dwell here, but I think back to the Starbucks Red Cup and how Christians lost their ever-loving mind over a Starbucks Red Cup. Yes, may we not be remembered for those types of moments where, as a believer, it even still sits with me and I chuckle on the inside. May we bring people to tears because they long for a faith that we have that makes them want to draw closer to him, because that’s the whole end game. Is the way I act, the way I react and y’all, I do not get this perfectly right. Not even once a day do I necessarily. 

 

15:13 – Brian (Host)

Well, you do pretty good. 

 

15:15 – Kayla (Host)

But I think I just I told you the other night after watching the opening ceremony yes, I was heart sick, I was some of what I saw. But we live in a broken world. We are broken people. May we chase so hard after Jesus that in doing that, our lives somehow inspire others to pursue him as well. 

 

15:43 – Brian (Host)

I have nothing to add to that Beautiful. 

 

15:46 – Kayla (Host)

Shall, we play some trivia. I thought you would like this. I like trivia. 

 

15:50 – Brian (Host)

You like these little games, I like these little games. Yeah, and you came up with the questions. 

 

15:56 – Kayla (Host)

I always do. 

 

15:59 – Brian (Host)

I had some in here every now and then. Well, you do? 

 

16:02 – Kayla (Host)

I left room for you to add some but you didn’t. You’ve had a little busy week, so I get it. What’s the first question? 

 

16:09 – Brian (Host)

If you had to participate in one Olympic sport, which would you choose? 

 

16:14 – Announcer (None)

I would choose gymnastics Because I was in gymnastics as a child and I hope it would come back to me. 

 

16:23 – Kayla (Host)

I want to talk about this a second. 

 

16:26 – Brian (Host)

When you dance, one leg moves and one finger goes up and down, how are you going to do gymnastics? 

 

16:34 – Kayla (Host)

Gymnastics is flipping and turning. It’s not If you can’t flip and turn. 

 

16:38 – Brian (Host)

if you can’t dance and you fell down the stairs a year ago. 

 

16:43 – Kayla (Host)

I’m feeling a little attacked. 

 

16:46 – Brian (Host)

What would yours be Swimming, I could float. Oh my gosh, I can’t run, flip, jump, nothing. I can’t pummel that horse or whatever it’s called. I can’t do any of that stuff. I’d float, but then every now and then I hope I wouldn’t get harpooned, though as I’m floating across the pool. 

 

17:10 – Kayla (Host)

Look Mom mom, it’s moby dick. You know it’s a whale. You you didn’t. Are you done? You didn’t find that? 

 

17:13 – Brian (Host)

no, okay, next name one item on your bucket list to be married to you for 50 years no you’re gonna say something like eat ice cream and all the disney cards well, that one’s a given. 

 

17:29 – Kayla (Host)

Um well, I’ll say another one do please, okay, I don’t know um, I will start then. Okay, I look forward to the day that we will do a cruise of europe oh, wow, well see, I got. 

 

17:45 – Brian (Host)

I’d like okay, I’d like to write a book about abraham a cruise of Europe. Oh, wow, well see, I’d like to write a book about Abraham Lincoln. 

 

17:51 – Kayla (Host)

Okay, nobody’s shocked by that. 

 

17:56 – Brian (Host)

I’d like to go back to Greece. I’d like to go back. Oh, greece was amazing. I’d like to go back to Switzerland, although we’ve been checking the temperatures in Greece and Rome, right now 98. 

 

18:07 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah, they’re dying in Paris. It’s hot. 

 

18:09 – Brian (Host)

If you could eat only one meal for the rest of your life, what would it be For me? Fried chicken Every day, Every single day. 

 

18:20 – Kayla (Host)

See, I would say steak, mashed potatoes and rolls. 

 

18:23 – Brian (Host)

Oh, I get to like I thought it was just one food. I said meal, oh oh, fried chicken, rice and gravy. 

 

18:33 – Kayla (Host)

Okay. 

 

18:34 – Brian (Host)

I could eat rice every day of my life. 

 

18:36 – Kayla (Host)

Okay. 

 

18:36 – Brian (Host)

Okay. 

 

18:39 – Kayla (Host)

What scares you more? Failure or never trying? 

 

18:43 – Brian (Host)

Failure? Yeah, because I’m too dumb not to try. To try, I mean I’ll try, I mean I’ll. 

 

18:50 – Kayla (Host)

I could live with failure. I could not live with never trying I can’t. 

 

18:54 – Brian (Host)

Uh. Well, now I’m making me think this differently. I will try anything that doesn’t make me afraid. Failure scares me, so I will pivot. 

 

19:07 – Kayla (Host)

See, I’m more scared of having a wasted life. 

 

19:10 – Brian (Host)

Well, I guess that’s where. Okay, let me say this I don’t think I am wasting it, so I’m willing to try anything. 

 

19:19 – Kayla (Host)

This question’s really tripping you up. 

 

19:20 – Brian (Host)

Yeah, because here’s the thing I’ll do something twice, because I figured I did it wrong first time. 

 

19:26 – Kayla (Host)

Well then you’re not scared of failure. 

 

19:29 – Announcer (None)

Oh. 

 

19:30 – Kayla (Host)

You’d be more scared of never taking the risk. 

 

19:33 – Announcer (None)

True. 

 

19:33 – Brian (Host)

Yeah. 

 

19:34 – Kayla (Host)

Okay, what’s the bravest thing you’ve ever done? 

 

19:38 – Brian (Host)

Going to that gym the very first time. 

 

19:41 – Kayla (Host)

Mm-hmm, I can see that. 

 

19:44 – Brian (Host)

Was I supposed to say something else? 

 

19:45 – Kayla (Host)

no, I’m just that’s um yours marrying me. No, I would out for you. I would say I taught a cpr instructor’s class to 15 firemen one time and it was the most terrifying. When was this? Back in new orleans, when I was certified in cpr and first aid, I actually had to teach to become an instructor and I actually had to teach a class of firemen and it was terrifying, but second only to the first time I ever walked in your gym. That was the scariest thing I’ve ever done. 

 

20:30 – Brian (Host)

Our gym. If you had to learn another language, which would you choose? 

 

20:36 – Kayla (Host)

I would choose French because I think it’s such a beautiful language. 

 

20:41 – Brian (Host)

I would sound terrible, but I’ve had four years of training in german, so I would naturally lean toward no, no, you already know that you have to learn a language. No cheating I guess spanish okay, I don’t know any spanish, oh, I see I like spanish, any Spanish. 

 

21:01 – Kayla (Host)

Oh, I see I like Spanish. What is one character flaw you struggle to overlook? Don’t give any names, but I don’t want to say it’s the unforgivable, but what is one character flaw? That it’s just really. This is like confession time. 

 

21:18 – Brian (Host)

And myself or other people. 

 

21:19 – Kayla (Host)

Either no names. 

 

21:22 – Brian (Host)

And other people, people who never shut up. It’s like they don’t even stop and take a breath. It’s just, it’s like they’re circular, it’s like they got gills and they never have to stop. And they just keep going, and going, and going, ok, ok. 

 

21:42 – Kayla (Host)

For me, it’s people who lie. I really struggle with dishonest people, but one of my core values is integrity, so I just have to feel that what you’re saying is something that I can get behind, that it’s truthful, so yeah, so those are just some random trivia items. 

 

22:03 – Brian (Host)

That’s interesting, but what is one character flaw you struggle to overlook in yourself, in? 

 

22:09 – Kayla (Host)

myself. 

 

22:10 – Brian (Host)

I’ll start with me. Okay, flaw that I have is I can listen for a short amount of time and I struggle to listen for a really long amount of time and that aggravates me. You zone out, I zone out. 

 

22:26 – Kayla (Host)

A character flaw in myself is that and you have none. Oh, I have plenty. Okay, I’m actually going to give two no, because it’s something that I often struggle with Through this podcast. I never want to come across as self-righteous you don’t. But second of all, this is me answering the question.

 

22:48

I apologize the second one is I am my own worst critic yes, you are and I am constantly the person that’s telling myself that I got it all wrong and so learn. I’m learning to give myself credit. What was the good in that situation? Because my brain trends toward the kayla. You should have done this. You should have said that, you should have thought this out. Um, you’re the reason this happened. Blah, blah, blah. So yeah, that’s, that’s a character flaw in me I don’t’t think so. 

 

23:22 – Brian (Host)

Yeah, well, I can see where you struggle with that and it breaks my heart. Yeah. 

 

23:26 – Kayla (Host)

So, anyway, that’s enough confession for today. If you go to our website, which is peasandcarrotspodcastcom. And you answer the question correctly, you can win a whole like plethora of things. A mug and stickers and a notepad and a pen and all kind of stuff. A little post-it note. 

 

23:45 – Brian (Host)

Really. 

 

23:46 – Kayla (Host)

Yeah, it’s a little notepad of post-its. 

 

23:48 – Brian (Host)

So you go to our website peasandcarrotspodcastcom. When you get there, you click the trivia button. And what is this week’s trivia question? 

 

23:56 – Kayla (Host)

Which Olympic sport would you choose? So which Olympic sport would? 

 

24:02 – Brian (Host)

you choose to participate in, Go to our website peasandcarrotspodcastcom and click the trivia button and answer the question. 

 

24:10 – Kayla (Host)

You can search Peas and Carrots Podcast. Wherever you get your podcasts, visit our website Again, that is peasandcarrotspodcastcom. When you do, don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast. 

 

24:21 – Brian (Host)

You can follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Just search for the Peas and Carrots Podcast. 

 

24:28 – Announcer (None)

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Season 3, Episode 23: May We (Re)Introduce Ourselves!

Can We Talk?
May We (Re)Introduce Ourselves! - Episode Description

Join us for a lively and heartwarming episode of the Peas and Carrots Podcast, where we share an overview of our bustling July schedule filled with church picnics, summer camps, Bible studies, and baseball games. We have some light-hearted moments to share, like Kayla’s undeniable love for ballpark snacks and a late-night ice cream run that ended in an amusing encounter. We’ll also touch on our bedtime routines and the challenges of sticking to them during summer’s extended daylight. For our new listeners, we’ll recount our 31-year marriage, our work in ministry with Positive Alternative Radio, and the serendipitous way we met in New Orleans, complete with Brian’s unforgettable first impression of Kayla.

Next, we take a heartfelt look at the keys to success in our marriage, discussing the profound ways our faith and love for the Lord shape our relationship. We emphasize the importance of being “all in” on friendships, work, and life itself. From our different approaches to planning and spontaneity to our shared magnetism for unusual stories, we reflect on the quirks that make us unique. Foundational principles like making Jesus the center, dying to ourselves daily, and understanding each other’s love languages are highlighted, along with the significance of communication and never-ending dates to keep our relationship vibrant and cherished.

Finally, we engage in a playful game of “This or That,” exploring our preferences and quirks that have developed over 31 years together. From choosing swimming pools over oceans to debating cake versus pie, this conversation highlights the comfort and simplicity found in long-term relationships.

May We (Re)Introduce Ourselves! - Transcript

0:00:00 – Announcer

We go together like Peas and Carrots. The Peas and Carrots Podcast, sharing life from our piece of the vegetable patch, Brian and Kayla Sanders. 

 

0:00:11 – Brian

Welcome to the peas and carrots podcast. Hi, I’m Brian, I’m Kayla, and Welcome to our little piece of the vegetable patch. I guess that’s how you say, it isn’t it? That is us, that’s us, mm-hmm. So what’s up in our world?

 

0:00:25 – Kayla

 July is busy. 

 

0:00:29 – Brian

Well, we got a church picnic. I’m cooking there, by the way. We got summer camp, which is a work event. We have a trip for that. 

 

0:00:39 – Kayla

Yeah, that’ll be a week. We’ve got various Bible studies we’re going to be part of. We have a ball game that we’re going to with our church family baseball. 

 

0:00:49 – Brian

We have other work trips. Let’s pause here. 

 

0:00:52 – Kayla

Miss Kayla doesn’t go to the ball game for the ball game now I do watch the game, but yes, I’m all about the snacks. I ain’t going to apologize. Cotton candy, maybe a little. 

 

0:01:06 – Brian

Nachos. 

 

0:01:07 – Kayla

Nachos and cheese. 

 

0:01:09 – Brian

Peanuts. 

 

0:01:10 – Kayla

No, I don’t do peanuts anymore because of your allergy. 

 

0:01:12 – Brian

Oh, I appreciate it. We all thank you. I thank you for that. You’re welcome. I don’t want to die If I ever get peanuts, it’s. 

 

0:01:18 – Kayla

you know I’m trying to bump you off, so so so if the hot dogs look good, I might have to. No, I’ll be. I’ll be better than I am usually, because you know whole healthy lifestyle thing we’re doing caramel, if they have caramel corn oh, forget it, it’s on you love caramel. I do don’t say yeah, okay, yeah, it’s a really fun, but busy month. 

 

0:01:42 – Brian

we have a lot of stuff going on, so does anybody find yourself? 

 

0:01:50 – Kayla

staying up a little bit later. I struggle with this because it’s summer and so it doesn’t get dark till what? 9:15? But there’s a spoiler what time do I? 

 

0:02:02 – Brian

like to go to bed 8.30 to 9. Yeah, but then we’ll lay there sharing reels till 10.30. Am I wrong or wrong. 

 

0:02:10 – Kayla

No, not usually that late. If we’ve got to be up at 5 the next morning, some nights we will share reels with each other for about 30 minutes. But yeah, You’re the worst. I wake up every morning to like 10 reels from you. 

 

0:02:26 – Brian

Well, I try to let you go to sleep. Thank you, you do so. Yeah, I have that CPAP. 

 

0:02:30 – Kayla

So, B, we’re going to tell on ourselves. There was a night last week that we did stay up later than we should have, and it kind of got us in trouble with Chick-fil-A. What did we do? 

 

0:02:41 – Brian

We told each other OK, we’re going to sneak over there, we’re going to get it’s five minutes from our house. We’re going to sneak over there, we’re going to get us an ice cream cone and we’ll get back home. This was the night of the debate and we said you know what, we’ll be back in time to watch the debate. And we both said we’re not going to tell anybody about this, it’s going to be our little secret, because we turned over a new leaf, you know we’ve been doing really well. 

 

0:03:08 – Kayla

We just decided we were going to splurge, but we didn’t want to have to fess up to this. But God checked us, as he always does. 

 

0:03:14 – Brian

Chick-fil-A drive-thru paid for it and we get up to where you collect your food, and so I hear Mr. Sanders turned, and it’s one of the youth from our church. 

 

0:03:27 – Kayla

Of course it is. 

 

0:03:28 – Brian

And so. 

 

0:03:32 – Kayla

He hands us our ice cream. 

 

0:03:32 – Brian

So we’re busted, just busted, so we couldn’t get away with that one, but the ice cream was really good. And it’s allergen free for me. Yeah, so I try to avoid there, but that night it was. 

 

0:03:46 – Kayla

Now I want ice cream. 

 

0:03:47 – Brian

Well, anything my darling wants, my darling gets. 

 

0:03:54 – Kayla

May we reintroduce ourselves. 

 

0:03:56 – Brian

Yes, we have a lot of new listeners to the podcast. We do so. I’m Brian, I’m Kayla, we’ve been married going on. 

 

0:04:05 – Kayla

It will be 31 years in August. Yeah. 

 

0:04:08 – Brian

We’re both believers in Jesus. We are conservative Presbyterians. I’d like to say that we both work in ministry. 

 

0:04:18 – Kayla

We do. We work with Positive Alternative Radio and it has five sister stations and we do also have an app that people can listen to, but we are located in Blacksburg. We have stations in Kentucky, Tennessee, North Carolina, Virginia, but we are here. The hub is here in Blacksburg, Virginia, which is where our offices are. Hub is here in Blacksburg, Virginia, which is where our offices are. You are our executive vice president, I am our vice president for partner service. Yeah, for donor care. So how did we meet? 

 

0:04:56 – Brian

Oh gosh, I was serving at the Christian radio station in New Orleans, WBSN Life Songs, and our office manager went on maternity leave, and so you came in for the summer. I did, and took her role for the summer. 

 

0:05:14 – Kayla

And my parents purchased your boss’s trailer on campus. 

 

0:05:19 – Brian

So, and I remember walking in and I saw you the first time and I skipped, I didn’t even say hi to you, I just walked right past you Not even a. 

 

0:05:28 – Kayla

who are you? 

 

0:05:29 – Brian

Nope, I walked right past. You went back to my friend’s office, Stan, and I told him I have to kiss that girl or I will die. I found you were just that beautiful, and still are. 

 

0:05:43 – Kayla

No. 

 

0:05:45 – Brian

So that’s how we met. 

 

0:05:46 – Kayla

We spent the whole summer getting to know each other. You were a very curious person. 

 

0:05:50 – Brian

And you flirted, I did flirt with you. All throughout the summer. Yes, asked her out various times, three times. What did you tell me each time? 

 

0:05:57 – Kayla

No, because my grandma said do not date your boss. 

 

0:06:02 – Brian

But you flirted with me the whole time. Do not date your boss, but you flirted with me the whole time. 

 

0:06:06 – Kayla

I did, but it was a great summer, and then we did end up having our first date after I went back to college. You know, each couple has to decide this for themselves. We met in June, we started dating in September, we got engaged in December and we have been together for, like we said, nearly 31 years. 

 

0:06:26 – Brian

Got married in August. 

 

0:06:28 – Kayla

We have spent. 11 of those years we lived in New Orleans, Louisiana, and the last 20 years we have been here in Virginia. 

 

0:06:38 – Brian

We were never able to have children, no, but we did have— A very, very, very spooled dog we did. His name was Sprocket. We had him. For what? Very, very spool dog? We did, his name was Sprocket. 

 

0:06:46 – Kayla

We had him for what? 14 and a half years we did at 13. 

 

0:06:51 – Brian

And 13, 14, I don’t know. He was with us a long time and it wasn’t long enough, but he was the world’s greatest pup. 

 

0:06:59 – Kayla

He really was. He had the quirkiest personality. 

 

0:07:03 – Brian

Love him, yeah Still do so, Miss Sanders, how would you describe me? 

 

0:07:10 – Kayla

How would I describe me? You have a heart the size of Texas. Your love for the Lord is undeniable. Anyone who meets you knows that you have a passion for exploring and understanding Scripture and getting to know God more deeply. You are all in. You’re all in on friendships. You’re all in on your work. You live out loud. You love life. You are exuberant, you are charming, you are generous. You’re one of the most hilarious people I’ve ever had the privilege of doing life with. Um. You’re a magnet for crazy. True, we share stories on here all the time of strange things that happen. It just seems to find you. I just show up. You are an incredible storyteller and you make others feel at ease. I find it amazing the way when we are with new people, you help them to feel instantly comfortable. You also have never left me wondering if I am cherished by you. Since day one, I have known where I stand with B. 

 

0:08:31 – Brian

How would I describe you? Beautiful? You’re more beautiful today than you were the day I married you. 

 

0:08:38 – Kayla

Whatever, I’m not even sure I come out of my hair today. 

 

0:08:41 – Brian

See, I didn’t say a word the whole time she said all of it. I didn’t say a word. 

 

0:08:46 – Kayla

Even though I disagree with most of it. 

 

0:08:50 – Brian

You are more beautiful today than the day that I married you. You are kind, you are patient, you are full of grace, you are stately, you are proper. 

 

0:09:03 – Kayla

I’m British. 

 

0:09:05 – Brian

She’s British. 

 

0:09:05 – Kayla

We have to be proper. 

 

0:09:07 – Brian

She is, she’s proper. You love Jesus, your faith. I’m jealous of your faith because you just believing and you just trusting and I can’t do that. You are a planner. You like for things A, b, c, d, e, f, g. You like that. I’m like, well, we’ll go to A, then we’ll bop over to Z, then we’ll come back to D. No, I mean so, but you’re a planner and I love that. You make me a better man and you make me want to know Jesus more, want to know Jesus more. You create a beautiful home where we are comfortable or things are at ease. When you enter a room, peace enters the room. So I thank God every day that he brought you into my life. 

 

0:09:58 – Kayla

No, what would you say? 

 

0:10:00 – Brian

Stop right there. Do you believe any of what I just said? 

 

0:10:03 – Kayla

Me I told you. What are the golden rules of our marriage? 

 

0:10:10 – Brian

Well. 

 

0:10:11 – Kayla

We have a few. We have a few things that these are the things that are sacred to us. 

 

0:10:15 – Brian

We strive daily to make Jesus the center of our relationship. We do devos, we usually discuss the devos with each other, and we try to live that out. When I say making Jesus the center of our relationship, what I mean by that? Well, I’ll say the first one we try to die to ourselves daily. In other words, I want to make much of you and I see you trying to make much of me. So it’s a little bit of a contest some days to see who can make the most of each other. 

 

0:10:48 – Kayla

But if you are always about what you can get out of a relationship, it’s going to be very contentious and it’s going to be a harder road because you’re going to live in a place where you’re constantly disappointed. If it’s all about taking rather than giving We’ve said this we acknowledge what makes the other person feel cherished. Early in our marriage, we had the privilege of going to a conference that was put on by Gary Smalley. 

 

0:11:19 – Brian

We had lunch with him that day we did. 

 

0:11:21 – Kayla

It was the five love languages, and we learned that your love languages are words of affirmation and physical touch, mine are acts of service and quality time, and we kind of blend on that one. The more we’ve been together, you’re more about quality time as well. 

 

0:11:42 – Brian

I like being with you. 

 

0:11:43 – Kayla

So it’s important to us that we acknowledge those in each other Y’all. If he wants to make me feel adored, take the trash out. That’s all I need, and you do it all the time, so yeah. 

 

0:11:55 – Brian

Now the difference is I think you can put more in it than she does. Let’s just say that. We’ll leave that there um okay, um, sorry, we communicate and we talk a lot, yeah, so we talk in the morning, we talk during the day, we talk at night, we talk when we go to bed. We talk about everything now I will say there are. There are no secrets no, there are no secrets here. We just try to put everything on the table. Now I’ll say this she is more of the talker than I am. 

 

0:12:28 – Kayla

I’m a verbal processor, I’m not. Yeah, and you’re very good at enduring that, because I know there are times when I don’t endure that. 

 

Well, there are times when I really need to sit with something and I need to talk it through, and you are incredibly patient with that. I can tell when there is something bothering you. Sometimes I have to give you time before I smoke it out. You need to sit with things. I can tell when it’s time to say, okay, spill it. But the thing that makes me concerned for marriages is when people say, well, we’re too busy to communicate. 

 

0:13:02 – Brian

You’re not. That’s a danger sign. 

 

0:13:04 – Kayla

That’s a danger sign. That’s a red flag. Never stop dating. 

 

0:13:11 – Brian

We just had a lunch date yeah, we just went down to a little place and had shrimp tacos. 

 

0:13:14 – Kayla

They were amazing. Yeah, they were great. You have to make time for each other. 

 

0:13:18 – Brian

And we talked there. We were talking about our next vacation, we were talking about what I did this morning and some of the plans that I’m trying to get through that kind of stuff. So we do that. Let me go back to the whole thing about communication. My brain works that like. I will think something through and then I’m done with it and I’ll put it aside. What I’ve had to learn is I need to keep some kind of a checklist in my head that when we talk, I can share all that stuff with you. 

 

0:13:48 – Kayla

Yeah. 

 

0:13:48 – Brian

Because we process stuff differently. Like you said, you’re a verbal processor. Yeah, I’m not. 

 

0:13:55 – Kayla

You’ve already worked it out and moved on. 

 

0:13:56 – Brian

I’ve already worked it out and moved on. 

 

0:13:57 – Kayla

Yeah, but you realize I may need to know that piece of the puzzle Correct so that I have a glimpse into your life. Yes, this one is a big deal. Protect each other and what you have, and I want to explain this just a little bit. There’s several ways to do this. I am always going to be B’s biggest cheerleader. I’m going to be the one that speaks positively of him to others and I’m encouraging him and cheering him. On. Another way that this kind of falls out we practice firm boundaries with others and that looks like we do not have friendships. I don’t have friendships with guys. You don’t have friendships with females. 

 

0:14:44 – Brian

Some people say that’s old school. I just find that it protects the marriage and it protects purity. 

 

0:14:49 – Kayla

Now we will have friendships together that are other couple.

 

0:14:53 – Brian

Yeah, we’ll go out as a couple. 

 

0:14:55 – Kayla

We don’t make a habit of you texting other women. Now let me clarify this because you do have to in your work. But if it’s a side relationship and someone is texting you, I’ll actually show you the text I’m going to get copied in on the response. 

 

0:15:11 – Brian

I’ll usually loop you in on that text thread, that kind of stuff. 

 

0:15:14 – Kayla

But we’ve had situations where people have asked things as simple as could you give me a ride to the airport? 

 

0:15:20 – Brian

No, no, sorry, I can’t, I’m not doing that. No, no, Sorry, I can’t, I’m not doing that. 

 

0:15:23 – Kayla

You know, we just be careful what limits you don’t put on your relationship that leave you kind of open and exposed to any potential. So yeah, that’s us. We’re not saying these are the rules that have to work for every marriage, but this is how we have been able to thrive. 

 

0:15:46 – Brian

And that’s what I want to say. I’ve never gotten bored with you. I still find you interesting. I still find how you respond to things fascinating. 

 

0:15:56 – Kayla

You still surprise me. I’m still learning things about you. I mean, at Disney, I just learned that you’re scared of heights. I never knew that. I mean we Disney, I just learned that you’re scared of heights. I never knew that. I mean we’ve been together, for we’ve known each other for 32 years.

 

0:16:09 – Brian

I’m not necessarily scared of heights. I’m scared on a certain ride that makes you feel like you’re 80,000 feet in the air. Now, if I was sitting on the ground I’d be fine with that, but this ride it actually elevates you off the ground and it tilts you. I can’t handle that. Okay, I can’t. I can’t handle. But see, I’m fine in an airplane. For some reason my mind says my feet are on the ground, it’s on the plane, but there you go. 

 

0:16:37 – Kayla

Yeah, I’m not agreeing with you on that one. 

 

0:16:38 – Brian

I wish that they’d give us each like a little bouncy suit, like on the plane. Oh, my gosh so you’d hit and it’d blow up and it’d bounce off Well after the plane rides I’ve heard about this week we might need one. 

 

0:16:47 – Kayla

There you go. I will say this the beauty of 31-ish years, and we’ll spend a future podcast on this. 

 

0:16:54 – Brian

there is a comfortable silence at times we talked about this the other night how we seem to hit a good rhythm. 

 

0:17:02 – Kayla

Yeah. 

 

0:17:03 – Brian

That we do the day to day. 

 

0:17:04 – Kayla

Well, we talk and and it’s not always about the big showy moment. Sometimes it’s about the simplicity of life. Yeah, so yeah, we’ll come back to that. 

 

0:17:17 – Brian

I love this little game and you always. I never get to choose, you always get to choose. 

 

0:17:23 – Kayla

So the next time we play, no, I will let you choose. 

 

0:17:26 – Brian

My feelings are choose. 

 

0:17:27 – Kayla

You always get to choose, so the next time we play, I will let you choose my feelings are hurt, you’ll recover. You have a million times. 

 

0:17:32 – Brian

The compassion is deep, all right. 

 

0:17:35 – Kayla

This or that. 

 

0:17:35 – Brian

Okay, what’s the first one, ocean or swimming pool? 

 

0:17:39 – Kayla

I am swimming pool all the way. 

 

0:17:44 – Brian

I need to be able to see what’s underneath my feet. I will. Usually I’ll do neither because I’m just not comfortable, but if we’re at the ocean I’ll swim out midway so I can pee. Wow, like I can stand up to my waist. So I mean, nobody knows it’s the ocean. Oh my gosh, them fish pee in there. 

 

0:18:00 – Kayla

Will you do that this summer, knowing that one Like straight over there was a shark attack? 

 

0:18:07 – Brian

this summer. 

 

0:18:08 – Kayla

Will you really? 

 

0:18:10 – Brian

How big’s he got to be to take a bite out of me? Look at me, we’re talking jaws Quit. 

 

0:18:18 – Kayla

So snacks, Sweet or salty. 

 

0:18:23 – Brian

I can’t do sweet so I’m going to have to go with salty. But I’ve been doing like like carrots and little cherry tomatoes and broccoli and cheese, so I don’t think that’s really salty either you oh, I’m sweet all the way brownies, cookies chocolate, all right. 

 

0:18:42 – Kayla

No, you really haven’t regained your stuff, really not every once in a while I have a taste for dark chocolate. 

 

0:18:48 – Brian

Now give this woman a good gummy bear. 

 

0:18:51 – Kayla

Oh, a really good gummy bear, and, yeah, I’m taking it down.

 

0:18:53 – Brian

Yeah, she loves a good gummy bear, introvert or extrovert. 

 

0:18:58 – Kayla

I am an introvert all the way. 

 

0:19:07 – Brian

I am what’s called an ambivert I can be around people, yeah.

 

0:19:09 – Kayla

I love being around people, but after two or three hours you need to recharge. I need to go, get in a corner somewhere, recharge, yeah, and I’ll be fine but when we are in social settings, you are energized, whereas I am just dying on the vine. I just it’s like somebody take me out. 

 

0:19:26 – Brian

Yeah who are all these people and why will they not go home? And then I’m going to be awkward. 

 

0:19:34 – Kayla

I mean just last night, no, I am Be. Just last night at Bible study I realized Kay, just listen, don’t try to say anything because you’re going to step off in it. I just do all the time. It’s who I am, you’re not awkward Spender or saver. 

 

0:19:53 – Brian

I’d say we’re both savers. We are, but if I’m going to buy something, it’s usually your toys are expensive. Yeah, like right now I’m looking at a new backpack that has that’s like you just bought one. Can I explain what I’m looking at? It’s the Star Wars Empire. 

 

0:20:14 – Kayla

Oh God help me. 

 

0:20:16 – Brian

OK. 

 

0:20:16 – Kayla

OK, ok, drive or fly. 

 

0:20:22 – Brian

Based on that reaction, you know, I guess I’m probably not coming to my house. Go ahead, We’ll pray about it. You see that guess I’m probably not coming to my house. Go ahead. 

 

0:20:31 – Kayla

We’ll pray about it. You see, that’s a no. What is it a good, What is it a good mom always says Maybe, so yeah, okay, back to the questions. Drive or fly. 

 

0:20:42 – Brian

I’ll fly In a heartbeat, in a heartbeat, if it’s seven hours or under. 

 

0:20:48 – Kayla

I’m all about driving. 

 

0:20:50 – Brian

If it was 45 minutes, I’d fly. I hate Really. I would I mean, if I could have a private helicopter. 

 

0:20:56 – Kayla

No see, that’s on those little bitty planes. What? 

 

0:20:59 – Brian

if you had a private With like a two-seater? What if you had a private helicopter? No I don’t think I’d be down in a heartbeat, summer or winter summer, all the way. I’m gonna do spring and fall, even though it’s not a choice no, I’m gonna make you choose summer or winter probably summer. I can’t endure the cold, the cold is just too much now but I do agree with you. 

 

0:21:23 – Kayla

I’m a huge fan of spring and fall, but summer I can find ways to to cool down. I just my teeth stay clenched in the winter because it’s so cold. I can morning person or night out you can’t take enough clothes off to get cool okay, I didn’t see that coming oh, do what we should definitely move on Morning person or night owl. 

 

0:21:48 – Brian

Morning. You used to be a night owl. 

 

0:21:51 – Kayla

I used to be a night owl. 

 

0:21:54 – Brian

I think since joining the gym, the gym’s kicked you high. 

 

0:21:57 – Kayla

It’s kicked my tail into being, I will say this there is something amazing about the peace of the early morning. I totally grasp. Now new morning mercies, because watching the sun come up, watching a day restart, it’s quiet, it’s peaceful, until someone starts telling Lincoln stories. You’ve gotten better. 

 

0:22:21 – Brian

If you’re new to the podcast, I love Abraham Lincoln. He’s a hero. I wrote a book Leadership Endurance. About a third of it is about Abraham Lincoln. You can find it on Amazon. 

 

0:22:31 – Kayla

And it’s a great book and you have great stories. 

 

0:22:35 – Brian

But you just don’t want to hear them at 5. 

 

0:22:36 – Kayla

I just don’t want to hear them at 5 o’clock in the morning. Why that’s a new morning mercy for you, because it’s 5 o’clock in the morning. 

 

0:22:42 – Brian

All right Cake or pie Cake all the way. 

 

0:22:46 – Kayla

I can’t do either, but if I could I’m going to choose, I would say this would be my guess, cake with a little bit of milk. 

 

0:22:55 – Brian

I’d put a piece of cake in the bowl and pour milk over it. Yep. So steak or shrimp, both you got to choose one. 

 

0:23:07 – Kayla

I’ll choose steak. I’m going to oh, really, okay. Well, it depends on who’s cooking the shrimp. 

 

0:23:16 – Brian

I don’t want to die that’s not on this piece of paper. Right here it says steak or shrimp you’re a little sassy, aren’t you? 

 

0:23:23 – Kayla

I saw that. Look, Disney or universal, there’s no contest Disney, Disney, all the way universal. We have some friends who they prefer universal studios and they’re. 

 

0:23:27 – Brian

I saw that Look Disney or Universal, there’s no contest. 

 

0:23:29 – Kayla

Disney, Disney, all the way. Universal doesn’t even we have some friends who they prefer Universal. 

 

0:23:32 – Brian

Studios and they’re wrong. Oh snap, I mean they don’t have. There’s Mickey and Minnie and Donald and Daisy. Our preference is Disney World, if you’re a Christian, you go Disney World. 

 

0:23:45 – Kayla

Okay, that escalated quickly, so there we go. That’s this edition of this, or that. Do you have some others that you would like to add? 

 

0:23:55 – Brian

So which Disney park? Epcot all the way. Hollywood Studios. Yeah so what’s that? Ice cream or yogurt? Oh, ice cream, yeah cream. Yeah that’s up the Lord. Pork chop. Or ribs, oh, pork chop Really. You’re not a rib fan are you? 

 

0:24:20 – Kayla

I’m not a huge rib fan. Again, it depends on who cooked them. 

 

0:24:24 – Brian

Here we go. It’s all these little Y’all. It’s the fine print in the contract that gets me. 

 

0:24:30 – Kayla

It has for 31 years. That’s not. 

 

0:24:33 – Brian

There’s no fine print. Hey, thanks for listening to this week’s edition of the podcast, and we’d like to send you a peas and carrots mug, a peas and carrots pen, a notepad and some Some stickers. No, what do you call them? Cute little stickers, cute little stickers. 

 

0:24:49 – Kayla

No what do you call them Cute little stickers? I’m sorry, though. The notepad is really cute too. It has little checkboxes where you can make your list, and it’s like a Post-it note. Each of the little sheets come off so they will stick to your refrigerator or wherever you need them to. Yeah, I’m in love. 

 

0:25:07 – Brian

I got tickled last week Adam Reed, who’s my executive assistant and one of my best friends in the world, because whenever y’all win something, he sends it out. He says, B, can I have some of these notepads? 

 

0:25:19 – Kayla

You’re the one that ships them. You don’t have to ask. 

 

0:25:23 – Brian

Oh, so you’ve got a thousand of them in your garage. Take as many as you want. 

 

0:25:27 – Kayla

So if you would like to have your own cute little stickers and notepad, the first couple of people or more I mean, we’ve not really held to this, honestly but the first few people that go to our website answer the question correctly and you will win all of the above. Our website is peasandcarrotspodcast.com. 

 

0:25:47 – Brian

When you get there, you can go to peasandcarrotspodcast.com. When you get there, you can go to peasandcarrotspodcast.com. When you get there, click on the trivia button and this week’s question. 

 

0:25:57 – Kayla

Are you a morning person or a night owl? All right. 

 

0:26:01 – Brian

So you’re a morning person or night owl? Go to peasandcarrotspodcast.com. Answer that question. 

 

0:26:06 – Kayla

You can search the Peas and Carrots podcast wherever you get your podcasts, or visit our website. Again, that is peasandcarrotspodcast.com. When you do, don’t forget to subscribe to the podcast. 

 

0:26:17 – Brian

You can also follow us on Facebook and Instagram. Just search for the Peas and Carrots podcast. You know how the weatherman says there’s like a 60% chance of rain or a 40% chance of rain. 

 

0:26:28 – Kayla

Okay. 

 

0:26:29 – Brian

What’s the percentage chance of getting a Chick-fil-A ice cream today? 

 

0:26:33 – Kayla

Oh, probably 100. Okay, all right. There you go.

 

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